Why the Sleepers Just Keep Sleeping: Can We Help Them?

Those of us who are free from the programmed miasma of this present pandemic scheme are now tasked to be the wake-up call for those who need to be shaken out of the slumber of lies.

Although the real solution for those suffering from cognitive dissonance is that they simply accept the truth, it is much more complicated than it seems. Psychological warfare is a very twisted affair. We cannot undo in a few short years what the corrupt deep state new world order regime began implementing decades ago. The programming is entrenched. It will take much consideration of many facts to break completely free and help others do the same.

Psychological Warfare / BRAIN GAMES

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Published Dec 6, 2021 (originally published on Telegram May 14, 2021)
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"You are sheep to them. You are told to obey."

Psychological warfare has been waged on the masses longer than we can possibly imagine. Social conformity is passed on from generation to generation without questions raised as to why such rules are in place, as depicted in the short video clip below. 

Herd mentality gets our species nowhere!

Dr. Reiner Fuellmich recognized the irresponsible totalitarian response to the pandemic shortly after it was announced. He formed a unique investigative committee early in 2020 and began questioning its legitimacy. He quickly concluded then what many agree with today:

"Since July 10th 2020, this (Corona Investigative) Committee has been listening to a large number of international scientists' and experts' testimony to find answers to questions about the corona crisis, which more and more people worldwide are asking.

"This corona crisis, according to all we know today, must be renamed a "Corona Scandal" and those responsible for it must be criminally prosecuted and sued for civil damages."
~ Legal Eagle Takes on CoviDeception

Abuse is the problem! 

This interview with Meredith Miller is an eye-opener. She breaks down how the relationships with governmental systems through the covidiocy scamdemic is no different than being in an abusive relationship with an individual. It is psychological warfare on a mass scale planned out and done purposefully to control the very masses being abused.

"Meredith Miller on abuse dynamics — from the micro to the macro level. Meredith Miller is a trauma coach. She teaches the mindsets, skills and actions to help people recover after relational trauma. In this video she talks about cognitive dissonance, emotional short-circuiting, trauma-based mind control, and awakening to the fact that you are being abused." ~ Crying out for Justice

Why the Sleepers Just Keep Sleeping-How to Help Your Loved Ones (Very Important Video)  

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Published Dec 2, 2021
47:52 viewing length

"This vital video will help you in dealing with loved ones and what you can do to awaken them. There are so many of us who's families are completely brainwashed and slaves to a corrupt system. So enslaved in fact, they were willing to take these dangerous vaccines without questioning the safety or validity of them"

It's like a short circuit on an electrical system. This is a built in survival mechanism into the human being. But unfortunately, this is also what keeps people stuck in abusive relationships, because they stay stuck in that state of denial of defense where they can't see the truth. So there really is no waking people up to the abuse. There is no presenting them with sufficient amounts of truth and evidence and logic that will snap them out. How does the person come out of that is like a 'frying pan to the head' lesson. It's something so shocking, that it pierces their denial. And the truth becomes a visceral experience, not a logical experience, not an intellectual experience, but a visceral experience through which the person can no longer un-see what was just seen. And so we see that same dynamic, the cognitive dissonance, we see lots of individuals in the cognitive dissonance. 

Many people want to believe that their government wants the best for them. That the government is there to take care of them to protect for them, to provide for them, when they would never do such a thing such as that which we're observing now in the world, and we can even look at terminology. You know, it's amazing, the abuse of language that they've done since the beginning, since 2020.

When this hypnotic induction began into this trance, words like 'social distancing': this phrase in itself elicits cognitive dissonance. Why? Because these two words are complete opposites. We have social, which means connection. And to the mammalian brain, because humans are mammals. Social means safe. Being connected with other mammals and other humans makes us feel safe, it makes the nervous system feel safe. Distancing is the exact opposite. It's a disconnection. It's not social, it makes us feel unsafe. And when then we put these two words together, social distancing, which evoke completely opposite feelings and understanding the brain enters into that short circuit into denial. So it becomes very difficult to think when we're in that state.

Dr. Fuellmich:
Well, unless unless you question what's going on? Right?

Meredith Miller:
Correct. And that's very difficult for someone who's in that state. Because they'll have moments of lucidity. I think I heard Aviana. Talking about this earlier too, maybe some of these leaders even have moments of lucidity. Or they don't entirely believe what's going on. What you see in an abuse victim is they go in and out of truth and fantasy. And so they'll have moments where they can see it. But it's so overwhelming and so uncomfortable that the brain will short circuit back into the denial until they get to that point where something so shocking happens. And we may be nearing that point in the world. It may be that crisis on top of crisis on top of crisis, it seems like we're getting to that point now where they're going to start layering on top of the pandemic more and more crises, the supply chain, the food, the energy, like all of these things are happening at once. And so it may be that more people start to wake up as the crisis pierces their denial.

Dr. Fuellmich:
When I first heard the word, social distancing, I immediately thought this does not make any sense. Something is not right. Because it's obvious, one is the opposite of the other, it doesn't match. And then after we interviewed, Holocaust survivor, Vera Sharraff, she explained to us about euphemisms, euphemisms. And that's what this is, basically, it tells you that distancing yourself from others is crucial. Because it means "it's safe". And the exact opposite is true. And the funny thing is that what you're saying is that many people who fall victim to this, just like in a in an abusive relationship, do not have the capacity to see that it doesn't make any sense.

Meredith Miller:
Right, because in that state of denial and defensiveness, the person has no access to the logical brain because the logical brain is the neocortex. It's that human aspect the evolutionary brain, but then it comes back to the primal states of the brain, the primal parts of the brain, which are concerned with survival, right and so so it becomes survival and so they're listening to the propaganda to those repeated phrases, the repeated language that's being used that tells them what's safe, which is as you said, the exact opposite of safe.

Committee Member:
When you're looking at this abusive situations, that you have someone where there's love involved in the beginning and or someone has a bad partner choice, that it's maybe like a co-dependence on someone who's abusive, kind of trauma based partner picking if that's the right term. But so in this case, there was love or like friendship involved in the beginning and then it turns kind of goes, everything goes goes belly up, or it's not  working in the right way. But here I mean, would you describe like the situation that we have to our government is also some sort of love or is this like a close feeling of closeness or like fatherly motherly constellation? Or is this abuse like what we what we saw this Stockholm Syndrome is maybe even love inducing in a sick way. Maybe that's also what we're seeing now that these people are going over the top because some of them are really defending the government that maybe they were critical, like in the past of a lot of things, you know, corrupt and whatever. But now it's like their heroes to some extent, that's happening for some people. What do you think like is that a combination of things that's now going on?

Meredith Miller:
Yes it's actually the abuse cycle. So there's two phases in the abuse cycle, what we call love bombing. And that doesn't have to be in a romantic sense. It can be someone giving you compliments, paying you for things, buying new things, sending you economic stimulus, money in the mail, for example, or providing free food, or the government just telling you, we want the best for you, your health matters, you know, this is the important thing, we just want the best for you we're trying to help. Right. And so that's the love bombing aspect. And then the other cycle, the other phase of the abuse cycle is the devaluation, you're dirty, you're sick, you're dangerous, you're putting people at risk. So there they go back and forth between the two. So for example, another example, love bombing could simply be the absence of abuse, the temporary absence of abuse. So in a relationship, there's going to be moments where the abuser senses they've gone a little too far. The victim is starting to figure it out, they need to pull the victim back in. So in society, they push the lock downs a little too hard, they start to notice people are suddenly starting to maybe wake up a little bit are starting to question things. So then they set people free for a while. Oh, you can travel, you can do things. Now you can take off the mask. But this is temporary. And now we see the lockdowns coming back, we see the restrictions coming back. So it's going back and forth in this cycle. It's like an intermittent reinforcement, which again, is part of the the foundation of the cognitive dissonance. So it keeps people very confused.

Committee Member:
So do you think that's that's part of a plan? Or is this is this you know, like a social engineering kind of procedure? Or do you think they just feel instinct to instinctively, while we've gone a little too far, let's give them this kind of thing? Was this like, you know, structured? Because it seems to be to me, it seems very orchestrated.

Meredith Miller:
From my perspective, as well, it seems highly orchestrated. I agree with Arianna what she said about this is actually continuation of Nazism. Because after World War Two, America, for example, imported hundreds of Nazi scientists and Operation Paperclip, and they put them to work in psychiatry, in government organizations, in psychiatry and psychology, they ended up working on behavior modification science, this became the foundation of all the social media. So we see that social media was a key component in making this work. 10 years ago, this wouldn't have worked. They actually tried the pandemic thing in 2009. And it flopped. Why the social media was just in its infancy, it was just starting, they knew the science behind the social media, some Facebook executives even talked about this. They saw the science, they knew what they were doing, and they did it anyways. So that behavior modification, the foundation of that is like, provocation reaction solution. So they provoke an emotion, which fear is the most powerful emotion for this, right? So they provoke fear, then that creates an emotional reaction. And then it gets people to beg for a solution to that fear, which the government is happy to provide. It's the solution. It's everything they were driving us toward from the beginning. So this is the cycle. And so it seems that this has been decades in the making. It's been like a very slow and gradual buildup. And now we're kind of here at the vertical part of the curve, where it's happening exponentially fast

Dr. Fuellmich:
What you were saying is that the shocking experience that is necessary to wake people up could be the piling up of all of these crises on top of each other. Does that mean that some of the people who are still like sitting on the fence and and not beyond who can still be approached? Does that mean that if it gets to be too much for them they're going to think this cannot be real? Is that the kind of situation that you expect?

Meredith Miller:
I'm hopeful that more people will wake up as it intensifies. Unfortunately, it's going to intensify in every abusive relationship, the abuse escalates. Even when you call them out, as we've seen, more and more truth has come out and people are going "How is this still standing? How is it still possible? How are these people not in jail, because they never admit to the con?" They just doubled down on it.

And they go back to that gaslighting campaign. And so what we've seen since the beginning of 2020 is a massive gaslighting campaign. For those who aren't familiar with that term, gaslighting is a distortion of the perception of reality, to the point where a person starts to think they're crazy for questioning the reality that's being promoted. So we see that in the mainstream media and the news, we see it on social media with the fact checking the censorship, everything is meant, because the whole narrative is sustained based on this gaslighting campaign. So I'm hopeful that maybe more people will start to wake up as the intensity and the shock of the things that are happening pierces their denial.

The other problem is that we're going to see an epidemic of mental illness, because there's going to be so many people that are so severely traumatized, that are unable to see reality when it's revealed to them. So they're going to go into states of mental illness. Earlier, you were talking about the delusional psychosis, that's one of them. When people get into this state, they feel like there's no way out. That becomes part of the learned helplessness. And so then they developed self destructive habits. It's like a feedback loop that happens, and it just gets worse and worse. And so we've seen last year, 600%, alcohol sales up. We've seen a great increase in drug overdoses. Increase in suicides. Last year, some doctors were saying they saw a year's worth of suicide in one month. So we're seeing, the self destructive, and we're seeing also, that in the individual, we're also seeing it relationally.

What this is doing, in relationships between people, it's driving people further apart. It's causing this great polarity, it's causing this great tension between people. And also when we as individuals are traumatized, it becomes very difficult to connect with other people to get that co-regulation that mammals need to feel safe and social, because trauma is a disconnection.

The pandemic, the plague that we're in right now is disconnection. They're having us disconnected from other people, disconnected from ourselves, because this whole gaslighting campaign, it teaches you not to trust yourself, not to trust your perception of reality, not to trust your sense of self, and your God given right to sovereignty. It's actually part of the cult dynamics. So that's where the system takes on additional components that the individual or that micro relationship doesn't have. The system develops a cult dynamic. Part of the cult is that your individual identity is sacrificed, it's usually destroyed through trauma, trauma based mind control. And as your individual identity is destroyed, it's replaced with the group identity. Which also corresponds to some of the things that Arianna was talking about earlier, that there are some individuals that have the capability of stepping out of that group identity, and recognizing they have the right to think for themselves. They still have the capacity to think for themselves, but because when you're in that group enmeshment, in that identity, it's terrifying to leave, not intellectually, but at a deep, primal level in the brain, because we were programmed biologically for survival, that we need the herd to survive.

So even if the herd is marching toward the slaughterhouse, it's easier to go along, because it's so difficult to think for yourself and it's terrifying to be outcast. And that's exactly what happens to people who questioned the abuse. People in cults who wake up and in the very basic structure of a cult is an abusive family. If you wake up in that abusive family, to the abuse, and you start to talk about the abuse, you'll be attacked, you'll be smeared, you'll be hurt, you'll be punished. The rest of the group will try to pull you back in and not allow you to have those thoughts, to have those beliefs, not allow you to individuate and separate yourself from that group.

Committee Member:
When we're looking again at the abusive constellation between maybe two people or like also could be like what you mentioned like a cult like set like some sort of sect where people join in They want to break free from that. The only thing you say is like a shocking constellation. Is there anything else that motivates people to get out of that?

Meredith Miller:
So when I'm working with people one on one, we're trying to get out of abusive relationship. I tell them that that cognitive dissonance is going to dissolve in a spontaneous moment. That's the part that we can't control. That's the sudden divine intervention, or whatever that is, that brings the shock, that pierces the person's denial. But how can a person help themselves to get there is: relentlessly facing the truth. And the problem is that this goes against our entire biological programming. We were programmed to seek social belonging before truth. We will sacrifice the truth in order to have the social belonging. So that's that group dynamic. So a person is going to have a difficult time doing that even in a one on one relationship, because there's a sense of belonging in that relationship. And because the other person has told them that they'll never find anyone else to love them, they'll never find anyone else to accept them. This is as best as it's gonna get, don't you dare leave. So the person is terrified to leave this dynamic.

Committee Member:
And could it be if you offer a different peer groups, for instance, it's the grass is greener over here, come to the other side, and get out of that abusive thing and have fun with us, is that sort of inspirational, from your experience in situations that are not going well?

Meredith Miller:
Usually, a person will reject that. They will find any way to reject, to attack, anything that's confronting with their fantasy, what they want to believe about the world. And so that's why the victim needs to face over and over again, the truth. We have victims write what's called a sobriety list, you know, write down everything that person did from the very beginning of that relationship that was hurtful, manipulative, abusive. Why? Because as soon as their mind goes back into the denial, or they want to indulge in the fantasy, which they're highly invested in, they pull out the list. And they start reading these bullet points of everything that happened. And maybe at some point, something jars their mind, and they come back into acidity. So they have to face the truth over and over again. But the thing is that this can't come from outside. Anything that we say, all the evidence all the truth we can present, it has to come from inside, there has to be the internal drive, the person has to want to know the truth. The difficulties, that doesn't usually happen until that point where it's been pierced spontaneously by some event that's taken place that's forced the person to see something different.

Dr. Fuellmich:
What is the ultimate goal of all of this? We have spoken, for example, to former members of the British intelligence services. And they all agree, everyone who we spoke was that this is an agenda. And it's mainly driven by this huge 'psyop', psychological operation. That's why it took such enormous training and planning if this didn't happen overnight, this is nothing that happens spontaneously, but rather this has been planned for probably at least a decade, maybe longer. But what is the ultimate goal of what they're doing? It is probably totalitarianism? And that is a result of some people who are high up in power or have a lot of money. Being afraid that, we're going to find out about them. Is that really the goal? Totalitarianism so that those who are in power and who have more money than they should have and now they they feel guilty about it? Is it really that this is because they're afraid to be found out? And that's why they need to get complete control over us, which is totally impossible. That so??

Meredith Miller:
From my perspective I agree with that. I think the ultimate goal is the control. If you look at a psychopath in a relationship, any abuser in a relationship, what is their goal is control. It may be extracting other resources. Certainly money has something to do with it, but it's beyond money. What does the money gives them, it gives them power and control. And so if we look at this, everything that's going on is about control. And as long as they can maintain that control under any costs, no matter how many people they have to get rid of, because it's certainly a lot easier to control a smaller group of people than it is a larger group. But it does seem to be control. That's the ultimate goal. That's why all of the abuse dynamics work. That's why as soon as they sense they're losing control of people, they're going to come back and start giving us some something you know, to seduce us back into the dynamic.

Meredith Miller:
I think as each individual takes personal responsibility of their life and of their choices, and of resolving our own traumas, because we've all been born into this world that is founded on trauma, you know, from transgenerational trauma, and families, to larger historical traumas, even birth can be traumatic. We have to look within and recognize what are the the traumas that we still have left unresolved within us work on healing those work on taking greater responsibility of our life, because that self responsibility is the threshold between the victim stage, which is based on powerlessness, which is where the great majority of people are at right now. And to the stage of being a survivor and being empowered. 

That's the hardest threshold to cross, what I see in abuse, is that the majority of people stay stuck in that victim stage, they don't take the self responsibility to get over that threshold into the empowerment. So I see the same pattern in the world. I see most people staying in that victimization, unable to take self responsibility, hoping that the government will save them, we have to save ourselves, we have to take responsibility for our part. And I think that's the amazing thing, because we individuals form the collective. Right? 

So as we individuals work to heal ourselves, as more of us work to heal and take responsibility for ourselves and what we're producing and contributing to the world around us. Even if that's just our family, our very small social circle locally, that spreads, that becomes something that ends up healing the world. 

I think another thing that's a mistake is to focus on changing the world. Because the change starts inside, right? It's the only thing we have control over the learned helplessness, complete loss of control. So people give up they go into states of despair makes them easy to control. So what can we take control over? Not everything that's out there. But what's inside here.

Committee Member:
Professor DeSmet, from Belgium, the psychologist and the psycho analyst, he said the total terrorism (just what you mentioned about like the abusive situation) has a tendency of growing wilder and wilder as time passes. So why is that? Is it because they they feel that it's becoming like the logical or like the general the abusive part is becoming more obvious to the victim. And that's why they think they want to, you push it a little bit further. So, in order to get back on power, is it like a self- propelling kind of scheme? Why do you think that it might be?

Committee Member:
So it's not about keeping the game on because they're afraid that they might be if it all goes down, that they might be jailed or something, but it's also the kick at the same time that it's kind of, I mean, sort of on a Segway. It's kind of fun to see people being more and more put down and abused. 

Meredith Miller:
Yeah, it's both of that. It's the perversion of needing more of that control, more thrill to get the same reward, the same feeling the same dopamine hit that they got from it. And also, as was mentioned before, the fear of being found out, the imposter syndrome, which is the covert form of abuser. What we're seeing now is the covert form of what happened in Germany in the 1930s and 40s. That was a more overt It was more obvious. The covert is the more sophisticated version. And so the covert abuser, the more sophisticated abuser has a deep insecurity and a deep imposter syndrome. And like I was talking about earlier, the mediocrity being terrified that they're going to be exposed for being mediocre, unqualified, not the image that they're trying to create.

It's about maintaining that image. (They are) So terrified of being found out that they're actually not what they're claiming to be.

Dr. Fuellmich:
The covert version of what happened overtly in the Third Reich, yes. It is becoming more and more overt now. And that means that it's escalating. And that means, in my view, from what you're telling me and from what we've heard from all the psychologist and psychiatrist, psychiatrist that the other side too, is in a panic, not all of them, maybe it's a it's probably a mix. If I could get you correctly, it's a mix of seeking the thrill. And at the same time, being afraid, 'Oh, my God, this time, they're going to really get me this time, they're going to really find out.' So we're going to have to go further and further and further. Is that what's happening?

Meredith Miller:
I think so. And you're right, it is becoming more overt. And that's the thing that happens in an abusive relationship as well with a covert abuser, because there are different types. And of course, they can go back and forth and the tactics because when you're behind closed doors, and no one in the outside world can see that's when they can be more overtly abusive. But when they're in front of other observers and people, then they have to be more covert. But over time that covert abuser does become more and more overt.

Dr. Fuellmich:
We have a friend in Finland, she has very good friends with someone who works for the European Commission. And when these commissioners get together, she explained to us this is what her friend told her. And they watch the news, or they they're in a meeting, and then they watch the news or watch what's going on outside of their little European Parliamentary bureau...they actually laugh their asses off because they can't believe how stupid people are. Is that typical?

Meredith Miller:
Yes. And I think this is the thing. We're human, right? We've all had this thought, how can people be so stupid, I admit, I'm not above this. But this is where we need to bring in the humility to understand that this is not an intelligence thing. This is not about intelligence. This is the primal parts of the brain, the human nervous system was just programmed to respond this way to stress to abuse to trauma, they know this, they've known this for decades, and the research that they've done with trauma based mind control, they have done this on the public for a long time. They even use entertainment, Hollywood, you know, to carry these sorts of things out. 

So I think that we need to have compassion for people just like we would have imagined if that was someone that you loved, and they were in an abusive relationship, to have compassion, but to also have boundaries, because that person will attack you. Right? If you tried to show them that they're in an abusive relationship. So it's also important to have those boundaries and to connect with people who are living in reality, because that keeps you sane. When you're trying to escape a cult, even a family that's abusive.

You need to have allies outside of that system who are living in reality who can validate reality, because everybody living in that system is living in that delusional psychosis, a very distorted reality.

Dr. Fuellmich:
And what's going to happen? I mean, if it goes down, what's gonna happen to all the the perpetrators? I mean, are they gonna wake up and see what they've done? Or will they be in some sort of denial saying, 'Oh, it was necessary, and I did my best and Well, I was always part of the resistance, or I don't know what kind of things might pop up.'

Meredith Miller:
I imagine it will be those sorts of things. You know, if I look at from the micro level, and I see you know, when abusers are found out, what do they do? They double down, they play the victim, or one of the things we call in the terminology of narcissistic abuse is DARVO. It's an acronym; denial, attack, reverse, victim and offender. What does that mean? You tell a person this is abusive, they flip it around on you. Now you're the abuser and they're the victim. And we can watch this in the public dialogue. 

Anytime you try to talk about the truth, or even just in the media, the way they smear conspiracy theorists and anybody trying to talk about the truth, they flip it around, they play the victim. So I fully expect a lot of these perpetrators to play the victim. Because that's what they do. I have the hopes that there will be some sort of Nuremberg trial. Again, though, I hope it will be significantly better than the last one, which only brought to trial a very small amounts of the perpetrators, and then imported the rest of those and installed them in society in places that they could do significantly more harm. 

Over the long term, I would hope that we can learn from that, you know, we say history repeats itself, it repeats itself, because we haven't learned history repeats itself is the macro version of the repetition compulsion at the individual level, the individual goes through a trauma, and then their whole life they to similar people in situations that remind them of how they felt in that early life trauma, because they're seeking healing. But they're doing this unconsciously, they're unconsciously repeating the same traumas. That's what we're doing as a society, we're repeating the same traumas.

I do think this is a turning point, it's a make or break it. We're either going to go full on down that road of totalitarianism, until I don't know what the end will be of that some sort of mass disaster, it's already disastrous, I think you can get significantly worse. 

Or we're going to choose at some point collectively, because enough individuals are making the internal choice in their own personal life, a different path, making different choices. And that's the harder decision. Because the easy road is just just to go just to follow the herd and not think and not change, and certainly not heal the trauma, because that's very challenging and painful. It's easier just to numb it out to find distractions and escapism, which of course, they're providing for us. Right? You know, they're providing plenty of distractions for people they have for many decades, but especially in the last decade, there's been so much more of distractions with the internet and things and now they want to bring out the metaverse the virtual reality, you know, so that when reality is so horrible, instead of facing that, in resolving it and dealing with it and confronting it, people escaped into the fantasy.

Dr. Fuellmich:

Yeah, we have to make sure that they understand that real life is much better than the fantasy version. But one of the things that Professor DeSmet explained to us is:

• totalitarianism is self destructive.Sooner or later, it'll self destruct. The big question then is, how much damage will they be able to do to us before they self destruct? And of course, nobody knows.

•  It's getting crazier and crazier and is becoming more and more overt. I have the hope that more and more people like us will come to their senses.

• I think that's about 40% of the people are sitting on the fence and don't know which way to go, but that group is still approachable and that more and more of these people will begin to ask questions, which will ultimately then turn the tide.
  

• It's some people say that it's enough of 3.5% of the population or maybe 5% or 10% realize what's going on. That's good enough. I'm not so sure about that.
  

But it definitely is important to have those who can make decisions, rational decisions, on our side because it I have a feeling that those who are were falling victim to this narrative are the ones who, as one of those psychiatrist who we spoke with explained, escaped into not fantasy, but they sort of revert to...What is it? What's the word? 

Meredith Miller:
Infantilization.

Dr. Fuellmich:
Yeah, that's what it is. They don't want to grow up, they just want to keep listening to someone telling them what to do. So this group of people is, cannot be approached by us. But it's not really important. I hate to say that, but it's not really important. Those who are willing to think outside the box and who are willing to question authority, they're the ones who make work finally going, in the long run are going to make the difference, I believe. And those are the ones who are on our side already. I hope many more will join.

Meredith Miller:
Yeah, there's really no convincing people just like there's no convincing a victim that they're in an abusive relationship. There's no convincing that group of people to see reality because they don't want to see it. That infantilization process has been happening for a long time in society. So unfortunately, a lot of people look to the government, to the state as mommy and daddy to protect them. Right? That's a fantasy. That's not real. And it's unfortunate, but then there are those who have the more functional adult capacity in their brain to say, "No, I need to take the responsibility to rescue myself, to provide for myself, to provide for my family, because the government is not going to do that. That's not their job."

Dr. Fuellmich:
So this is what it boils down to: infantilization versus self responsibility.

Committee Member:
I think it's also a rough ride for them. Because as you said, once it becomes more obvious to some people because it's so extreme, they're risking a lot of things, they're risking everything. So it's, for them as well, a game of life and death. Because they're going to be like, I don't think that people would kill them. Because I mean, obviously, we are against violence anyway,  but I think it's more that they'd be socially destroyed if this becomes obvious to a lot of people what's been going on.

Meredith Miller:
Right, at what cost? I think that's something Reiner had asked earlier: how far does this go, even though the totalitarian system eventually will implode? Just like every abusive relationship, but at what cost? You know, at what costs to the individuals, add what costs to society? At what cost to human life?

Meredith Miller:
And because like you said earlier, at the very beginning, we're not even in the post trauma phase yet. Right? So we haven't even begun to see the long term effects of what's already happened to this point. This is going, especially among the children, this is going to have severe long term repercussions, the post trauma of this, and it's going to require a lot of healing, even if this just ended suddenly now today, no more damage. There's still significant, significant trauma to work through.

Committee Member: Yeah, that's true. Wow. So it's a lot of work.

Dr. Fuellmich: At any rate, it's definitely worth it. It can only get better.

Meredith Miller:
That's the thing about trauma is that trauma is both a destructive and awakening, the trauma destroys the sense of normality, the person never can go back to who they were before the trauma. We as a society will never go back to what we used to call normal, it's gone for good. We need to mourn that part of healing. The trauma is a grieving process. That's gone now. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. Because now the awakening of the trauma, allow that destruction of the trauma allows us to create something better, allows us to create something new, reaching new potential that we perhaps couldn't have contacted within ourselves individually, or even as a society until that trauma took place. So it comes with both a curse and a blessing.

Dr. Fuellmich:
Well, I can definitely see that there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Meredith Miller:
I agree. And I really hope that that happens soon.

Committee Member:
But you know, what the good thing is about this also is that it's such a huge collective trauma.

I mean, it's good and bad at the same time, but maybe if you come out of personal, abusive relationship, there's also something like individual guilt feelings or anger and all that. But now if it's also possible to, you can hopefully join with others in this collective anger and frustration and pain and sadness. That's also something, if you do this collectively, I can see also that this might propel, like the healing process, just like as if you do self help groups with other traumatized people and this talking about it, like in the group together, and find new ways, I think that can also speed up things in a way.

Meredith Miller:
That coregulation is part of what helps us heal the trauma. As we connect with other people. Why are things so traumatic, especially in childhood, if no one was there for you, maybe two children went through a very similar experience, when children had a parent or caretaker, someone who was there for them, who hugged them, who held them, who made them feel safe and connected, they're not going to have such severe post trauma, maybe not even have post trauma after that event. The child who was left alone, abandoned, not believed, told it was their fault, that sort of thing, that child is going to have severe trauma. 

So if we connect with others, other people are there, other people see the same reality, other people feel the same emotions, we process this grief together, we connect together, this is a very healing thing that can be done. The challenge for so many people right now, I think, is so many people feel so alone. And that's the whole purpose of this the social isolation because the isolation is necessary for the abuse to take place. So many people see the truth, see reality, but they feel so alone, because maybe no one else in their life, or very few people in their life can see it. And that's part of the traumatization. So I think it's amazing, the work that you all are doing, to bring people together to connect everybody who's seeing this sort of things, so we don't feel so alone. So we do feel more connected.

Dr. Fuellmich:
Yeah, we're all trying to do play our part in this game. And we're trying to take over the lead roles. We are all of the good people who are really interested in the good of mankind. We don't pretend, we mean it. Because if we didn't we wouldn't do this. Right? 

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