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"Dr. Fauci, the idea that a government official like yourself would claim unilaterally to represent science, that any criticism of you would be considered a criticism of science itself, is quite dangerous."

In fact, we are hopeful for a long life-ending jail term for Fraud-chi, or worse.

Sen. Rand Paul Ended Fauci on Live TV 

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Published Jan 11 2022
8:51 viewing length (transcript below)

Transcript

Sen. Rand Paul 0:00
Dr. Fauci, the idea that a government official like yourself would claim unilaterally to represent science, that any criticism of you would be considered a criticism of science itself, is quite dangerous. Central planning, whether it be of the economy or of science is risky because of the falability of the planner. It would not be so catastrophic if the planner were simply one physician in Peoria, then the mistakes would only affect that physician's patients, the people who chose that physician. But when the planner is a government official, like yourself who rules by mandate, the errors are compounded and become much more harmful. A planner who believes he is "the science" leads to an arrogance that justifies in his mind using government resources to smear and to destroy the reputations of other scientists who disagree with him. In an email exchange with Dr. Collins, you conspire and I quote here directly from the email: To create a quick and devastating published takedown of three prominent epidemiologists from Harvard, Oxford and Stanford. Apparently, there's a lot of fringe epidemiologists at Harvard, Oxford and Stanford. And you quote in the email that they are from Dr. Collins and you agree that they are fringe. And immediately there's this takedown effort. A published takedown, though, you know, doesn't exactly conjure up the image of a dispassionate scientist. Instead of engaging them on their merits, you and Dr. Collins sought to smear them as fringe and take them down.And not in journals, in lay press. This is not only antithetical to the scientific method, it's the epitome of cheap politics and it's reprehensible, Dr. Fauci. Do you really think it's appropriate to use your $420,000 salary to attack scientists that disagree with you?

Dr. Anthony Fauci 1:55
The email you're referring to was an email of Dr. Collins to me. If you look at the email that you responded to and hurried up and said I can do it, I can do it. We got something in wired. Oh, no. I think in usual fashion, Senator, you are distorting everything about me.

Sen. Rand Paul 2:13
Did you ever object to Dr. Collins's characterization of them as friends? Did you write back to Dr. Collins and say, No, they're not fringe. They're esteemed scientists and it would be beneath me...

Dr. Anthony Fauci 2:21
I did not...

Sen. Rand Paul 2:22
You responded to him that you would do it. And you immediately got an article, you wired it, sent it back to him said, Hey, look, I've got 'em. I nailed 'em and wired 'em on all sides.

Dr. Anthony Fauci 2:31
That's not what went on. There you go, again. You just do the same thing every hearing.

Sen. Rand Paul 2:36
That was your response. And this wasn't the only time. So your desire to tear down people...

Dr. Anthony Fauci 2:41
You are incorrect as usual, Senator. You are incorrect almost everything you say...

Sen. Rand Paul 2:46
Well, no. You deny. You deny, But the emails tell the truth of this.

Dr. Anthony Fauci 2:46
No.

Sen. Rand Paul 2:50
This wasn't the only time. Your desire to take down those who disagree with you didn't stop with Harvard, Oxford and Stanford. You conspired with Peter Daszak, who you communicated with privately, and other members of the scientific community that wrote opinion pieces for Nature. Five of them signed a paper for Nature, an opinion piece. Seventeen signed a paper that called it conspiracy theory, the idea that the virus could have originated in the lab. Do you think words like conspiracy theory should be in a scientific paper?

Dr. Anthony Fauci 3:21
Senator, I never used that word, when I was referring to it. You're distorting virtually everything.

Sen. Rand Paul 3:28
Did you communicate with the five scientists who wrote the opinion piece in Nature, where they were describing, Oh, there's no way this could...

Dr. Anthony Fauci 3:35
That was not me.

Sen. Rand Paul 3:38
Did you talk with any of those scientists...

Dr. Anthony Fauci 3:40
You keep distorting the truth. It is...

Sen. Rand Paul 3:43
Had you talked to any of the scientists privately...

Dr. Anthony Fauci 3:46
Yes.

Sen. Rand Paul 3:46
...and you wrote the opinion. You did. What were they telling you privately?

Dr. Anthony Fauci 3:50
Well, let me explain. You know, you're going back to that original discussion when I brought together a group of people to look at every possibility with an open mind. So not only are you distorting it, you are completely turning it around.

Sen. Rand Paul 4:05
Are most of the scientists that came to you privately, did they come to you privately and say, No way this came from the lab? Or was their initial impression. Dr. Gary and others that were involved, was their initial impression, actually, that it looked very suspicious for a virus that came from a lab. Senator. We are

Dr. Anthony Fauci 4:20
Senator, we are here at a committee to look at a virus now that has killed almost 900,000 people. And the purpose of the committee was to try and get things out how we can help to get the American public. And you keep coming back to personal attacks on me that have absolutely no relevance to reality.

Sen. Rand Paul 4:44
Do you think anybody has had more influence over a response to this than you have? Do you think it's a great success, what's happened so far? Lockdowns for our kids? Do you think we slowed down the death rate? More people have died now under President Biden than they did under President Trump. You are the one responsible. You are the architect, you are the lead architect for the response from the government. And now 800,000 people have died.

Dr. Anthony Fauci 5:07
Right.

Sen. Rand Paul 5:07
Do you think it's a winning success, what you've advocated for government?

Dr. Anthony Fauci 5:12
Senator, first of all, if you look at everything that I said, you accuse me of in a monolithic way, telling people what they need to do. Everything that I've said has been in support of the CDC guidelines; wear a mask, get boosted.

Sen. Rand Paul 5:30
And you've added things to make it...

Dr. Anthony Fauci 5:31
Take a look at everything that I said...

Sen. Rand Paul 5:34
...to be done by mandate, but you've advocated that your infallible opinion be dictated by law.

Dr. Anthony Fauci 5:40
Right. So again, Madam Chair, I would like just a couple of minutes because this happens all the time. You personally attack me and with absolutely not a shred of evidence of anything you say. So I would like to make something clear to the committee. He's doing this for political reasons. What you need to do is, he said in front of this committee...

Sen. Rand Paul 6:02
You think your takedown of three prominent epidemiologists was not political?

Dr. Anthony Fauci 6:06
You don't want me to finish because you know what I'm going to say...

Madam Chair 6:10
Senator Paul, if you would, please. I'm going to allow this, Dr. Fauci to respond. We have a number of senators who would like to ask questions, and I would like him to be able to respond. Please do so.

Dr. Anthony Fauci 6:24
So the last time we had a committee of the time before, he was accusing me of being responsible for the death of five, four to 5 million people, which is really irresponsible. And I say why is he doing that? There are two reasons why that's really bad. The first is it distracts from what we're all trying to do here today, is get our arms around the epidemic and the pandemic that we're dealing with, not something imaginary.

Dr. Anthony Fauci: What happens when he gets out and accuses me of things that are completely untrue, is that all of a sudden that kindles the crazies out there, and I have life threats upon my life, harassment of my family, and my children with obscene phone calls, because people are lying about me. Now, you know, I guess you could say, well, that's the way it goes, I can take the hit. Well, it makes a difference. Because as some of you may know, just about three or four weeks ago, when December 21, a person was arrested, who was on their way from Sacramento to Washington, DC, at a speed stop in Iowa. And they asked the police to ask him where he was going. And he was going to Washington, DC to kill Dr. Fauci. And they found in his car an AR 15 and multiple magazines of ammunition, because he thinks that maybe I'm killing people. So I asked myself, Why would Senator want to do this? So go to Rand Paul website, and you see Fire Dr. Fauci with a little box that says, contribute here you can do $5 $10 $20 $100. So you are making a catastrophic epidemic for your political gain. So the...

Sen. Rand Paul 8:25
You have politically attacked your colleagues and in a politically reprehensible way, you won't defend it. You won't argue it.

Madam Chair 8:34
I'm sorry. We're going to continue this hearing. We have a number of questions.

Dr. Anthony Fauci 8:39
One more minute, please...

Madam Chair 8:41
Dr. Fauci, I really appreciate your response. But we do have a number of questions from senators and we do have a second round and I'm being asked to make sure that everybody has their time. So thank you.

Dr. Anthony Fauci 8:50
Thank you very much.

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